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2011-09-15 20:59	Kulturowe aspekty identyfikacji osobowej	ac
przyklad slawnej Ameryki - esej z wewnatrz Ameryki OVER OUR HEADS: Limits of American ethinic identity as formation of it and operation. WHEN 3 KIDS OF AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS AND DYPLOMATS ARE EMRSED IN THE COMPLETELY NEW ENVIRON AND PUT TO SCHOOL WITHOUT PREP, THEY MIGHT ADOPT ( see nyt video) HERE IS WHAT SOME AMERICANS CAN THINK ABOUT IT: "I think there a lot of lesson for all of us to learn from this....no special classes for non-native speakers, an administrator who is truly intelligent, parents willing to see their children struggle...I hope the kids didn't feel too alienated when they came back! Bravo to everyone! Those children got an education that should be the envy of all parents." I WOULD STILL ALLOW LANGUAGE PREP UPON ARRIVAL TO THE NEW COUNTRY, SOMEWHAT FEXIBLE FOR HOW LONG THAT BE AND THE FLEXIBLE BODY SYSTEM FOPR THE NEW COMMERS SO THEY CAN ASK THE EXTRA QUESTIONS ON THE THINKS THEY INAVITABLY BE MISSING AT THE BEGGINING. ( SOMEHOW NOT MANY WANTED TO NOTICE THAT IN usa KIDS LIKE TAHT GO THROUGH THE LINCOLN RETURDATION TEST FIRST IN THE EE OF OPINIONS OF ALL LOOKING AT TGHEUR WIRDNESS, THE DARK AGE IDEA IN ACTION; SOME GET TO BE DICRIMINATED REALLY BAD; SOME GROUPS ARE STILL BRANDED IN USA THAT WAY. AND - WE DO NOT REMEMBER HERE THAT DIPLOMATS ENJOY DEGREE OF PREVELEGES GRANTED BY THE SENDING COUNTRY THUS NO REAL SOCIAL SUFFERING OCCURS TO THEM. BUT SOME COMMENTATOR IS MORE EXTREME THAN ME:"You can also subject your children to pneumonia and see if they will pull through without the help of medication but surely you would not fathom this." and the very common one that troubles me: "his made me think of the American immigrant experience of 100+ years ago, when hundreds of thousands of children arrived at Ellis Island speaking only Polish, or Yiddish, or Lithuanian, or Italian, or just about anything but English. WHAT HAPPENED TO RUSSIANS, SPANIARDS, DUTCH ( MIND YOU GRABBED MANHATTAN ISLAND FIRST), IRISH THAT DID NOT SPEAK LIKE WE ( REMIND ME, WHO WE WERE THAN?) AND GERMAN ( THE LANGUAGE THAT ALMOST WE ARE TOLD REPRESSED ENGLISH AT THE BEGINNING OF THE LAST CENTURY) AND OTHERS, EITHER COLONIZERS, VISITORS OR SLAVES. AFRICAN ARE NOT EVEN IMPRESSED IN USA AS SPEKING DIFFERENT LANGUAGES,AS IF THEY DID NOT. PERHAPS THEY SPOKKE THE LANGUAGE OF COLONIZER THAT SOLD THEM OR OWN TRIBAL LANGUAGE. EVEN REVENTLY CHILDREN MIGHT SPEAK DIFFERENT LANGUAGE AT HOME AND ALL APLICATION FOR THE KINDEGARDEN HAVE TAHT QUESTION WHAT IS LANGIAGE AT HOME. I MIGHT BE EVEN ASKED THAT ON JOB APLICATION NOT BECAUSE I AM IMMIGRANT BUT BECAUSE THAT IS HOW APPLICATIONS ARE MADE FOR THE STATICAL PURPOSES AT LEAST IN SOME ESTABLISGHMENTS AND FOR WHATEVER EMPLOYER WANTS TO CHECK. ( AUTHOR THINKS IS HUNDREDS YEARS AGO! AT LEAST) "Their parents didn't work for the NYT which could shovel out $10,000 a year (that's more than 1/3 of my annual take-home pay BTW) for private school. I'm glad they had a good experience, but considering the immigrant experience, their resilience hardly startles me. " RESILIENCE IS ASSUMED BY AUTHOR; I THINK IS RESORCEFULNESS FOR ADAPTABILITY, WHICH COULD OVERLAP WTH RESILIENCE. ERSILIENCE WE ACTIVATE UNDER ABUSE. HERE UNDER TEMPORARY HIGHER DEMAND FOR HARDER WORK AND DIFFERENT SOCIAL PREASURES. NOT MANY PICKED ON THE FACT THAT IN USA 'EVERYBODY IS A WINNER' AND FEW WOULD EXTRAPOLATE ON THAT ..... NOBODY REALLY IS. "The end result of such experiences is that they enrich children's lives by a huge measure, and make them so much more competitive once they become adults. THIS ONE IS HIDDEN AMRICAN VALUE SYSTEM THAT AUTHOR IS NOT AWRE OF EITHER ETNOCENTRICITY OR OT OR LIMIT IN ITSELF. Their own cultural identity will never be lost (unless parents deliberately choose to give it up) THIS IS INTERESTING - FEW YERS LEFT ONLY FOR THIS FACTOR, UNLESS YOU MEAN TRIBAL VALUE HERE THAT DOES NOT LESSEN THE GRIP WITH MATURITY; BY FAR VERY INTERESTING ISSSUE: I RESEARCHED IT ONE AND HAVE BROAD ANSWER : UNLESS THE PARENT IS UNSURE OF OWN IDENTITY ALMOST NO MATTER WHICH THAT SI AS LONG AS IT IS ITS BASE IDENTITY FORMATION UNSHAKEN ( IDENTITY IS "WHAT STEADY IN ME PHYSICALLY, EMOTIONALLY AND SOCIALLY - NATIONALLY INCLUDED; NECESSARY ETHICALLY") , but they will gain valuable insights into the world by immersing themselves into a culture that's noticeably different from their own. BUT WE HAVE IT RIGHT HERE EVERYWHERE - YOU SELF DID NOT NOTICE THAT P[ART OF BROOKLYN HAVE RUSSIAN AS FIRTS LANGUIAGE ALMOST ON STEADY FLOW! ( THIS IS SOMETHING OF AMERICAN HEROISM AND ROMANTICIZING THINGS WHEN ONE IS REACH ENOUGH; TONE DOWN AS THE NACISISM IS TOO COMMON ALREADY; IS THIS SOMETHING ARTIFICIALLY ADOPTED WITHOUIT UNDERSTANDING THE SOURCE, FOR AMRICANS? IT IS AMISPLACEMENT - THERE IN FACT IS MUCH MORE HEROISM IN LIFE) (AM FALLING FOR THE TRAP MYSELF HERE - IT COULD ONLY BE ETNOCENTRISM BUT MIND YOU, THE PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE OF 'THIS CULTURE' MIGHT ALREADY KNOW VERY WELL WHAT IT IS:)) O, WHAT THE 'TRAP'- EXAGGERATION, THAT ONCE CAN BE HISTRIONIC AND THAT IS WHAT OTHERS CAN SEE WHEN WE DO NOT - TOO FAR FROM THE ORIGINAL MEANING OF THINGS AND EGSOULTED UPWARDS ( JUST BEACUSE WE ARE ALL THAT - PREJUDICE TOWARS OTHERS THAT ARE NOT ALL THAT). ( ADN THE SECRET IN IT THAT AMERICAN DO NOT KNOW - ASIDE THAT THIS JOB MANIERISM FOR ACTORS; IT CAN OR IS A MANIFESTATION OF SHELOWENESS AND LACK OF EDUCATION BOTH AS LIFE EDUCATION AND NUMBER OF PHDs RECEIVED). "This may have been a bold experiment for the author of the article, but so many of us do such experiments all the time. It does not surprise me that the experiment succeeded. It usually does, and the results are most often extremely positive." OTHER SECRET - THERE ARE WILLING; IT IS POLITICAL TO SHOW THIS PROCESS; IT IS NOT A FIRST SUCH EXPERIOMENT; AND THIS ONE IS WORKING BUT FOR AMRICANS HERE AND NOW ( THEY WILL TELL YOU IN PRIVATE - THEY ARE NOT DOING IT, NOT ALWAYS WHY, BUT I GUSS - AMERICAn ethnic identity does not include any healthy assertion outside of americanism or even American family and 'they' are in trouble ovver that; these who are brave have "ethnic assets" ( see howe they nixed off on the tape to just be American and know not much outside - during my youth I would know more about countries, much more and especially if i was going to visit) . Me, by the way is as American as can be, with tendencies to see from the outside due to my exposures insight and outside of American cultures, and.... I explain these well now; I do not have that many competitors: Ethic identity is thought in USA but not reveals itself here in discussion; Spanish and Jews ( see connect!) had primary expertize in USA but I do not see them much on book sheves now they are not vocal. Could be that interbet helps, but also merges us to the point taht we do not see what plays that very well. ( I am also good in telling CIA, if it is still there where is its responsibility - it did not contribute to American interaction with the world, even though withing CIA mission; and even could have injured it due to fake secrecies; at least Valery P can move easy between culture and... where is the result) and now: more specific current observation as if part of life course - what the oucomes of transpanting child might be in NYC ( that the facto was bilingual): " I was dropped into an American elementary school when I immigrated to the US at the age of eleven and learn English by immersion. While I did not become fluent for a long time, it was not a struggle. In contrast, I took three years of high school Spanish, got an eighty five on my regent exam, and I am useless with Spanish; and I don't think it is because I don't use Spanish everyday, but more the way Spanish was taught to me in the NYC educational system: struggling with a lot of grammar, very little attempt at conversation or speaking." ON MANY LEVELS IN USA, ESPECIALLY IN SOME PUBLIC SCHOOL ONE MIGHT NOT EVEN SPEAK. I THNK NYC IS MORE OUTGOING AND ONE SPEAKS MORE - IT COULD BE THAT THERE WAS ANTISPANISH PREJUDICE (not necessary thought but it feels here and there) OR ...FOGGIES FORCED THIS CHILD TO SOMETHING NOT FITTING THAT WELL. WE HAD EXPERIENCE IN PREVAILANTELY SPANISH SCHOOL - WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT SPANISH HAVE DUPLICITY SIMILAR TO USA BORN BETTER PEOPLE BUT ...RESOLVE IT AND ONCE NEW PERSON GETS IN ( IS CALLED GROUP COHESIVENESS IF FOR GROUP OR INTERNALIZATION OF GROUP RULE OR MUTUAL ACEPTANCE POINT) A LOT OF PERSONALIZED ATTENTION THAT AMERICAN STAFF DOES NOT GRANT ALMOST AT ALL - AND IT IS VERY FAST IN SPANISH SETTING - DOES NOT RELATE TO ANY ACCENT OR TAHT ALL HASTO BE UNDERSTOOD ( IT IS THE ETNIC FEATURE OF HOW THE INETRPERSONAL BOUNDERIES ARE SET CULTURE BY CULTURE ; AMERICAN COME IN AS SEPARATERS AND AMERICANS PSYCHIATRISTS CAN NEVER FORGET THAT ANY MORTE EITHER - IT IS IMPOSED CULTURAL RULE FOR THE WASPS UP AN DOWN THE LADDER- if catching- TO HAVE CLEAR BOUNDERIES ALL THE WAY TO THE FAULT OF 'NON CARING' THAT ALL KNOW AROUND THE WORLD; WHILE SPANISH ARE MORE MERGING AND EMOTION WHILE HAVING AWARENES OF BOUNDERY AS SPANISH; IT IS ETHINIC IDENTITY THAT SEPARATED THIS YOUTH AND NOT EVEN LOCAL CUSTOMS OR TENDENCY TO SEPARTE TOO FAR, I THINK; THERE IS NO BETETR PLACE THAN NYC TO IMMERSE LIKE THAT; IT IS MUCH WORSE WHEN DEEP INTO THE COUNTRY; IT IS FRIENDLY IN CHICAGO BUT NOT AS COMPREHENSIVE LIKE NY; IT IS FRIENDLIER THERE ( I AM YET TIO CJECK HOW - LOTS OF INTERPERSONAL SPACE IS A FACTOR IN CHICAGO, BUT AS URBAN FACTOR; WHERE FROM IS FRIENDLINESS?) AREAS IN NJ ARE VERY GOOD FOR THE INTERNATIONAL FEELINGS BEING WORKED IN AND SENSE THAT ALL CULTURE CAN REPORT IN VIA KIDS AT CERTAIN POINTS SHOWS, ACEDEMAIS, WORK / ART DISPLAYES THAT USE ETNIC 'PRODUCTS') and I am telling you now that I do not believe you a bit on yourt hearsay below: "One couple, German, moved to France for 7 years and at the time not any of the family spoke French, although both parents spoke British styled English. Their youngest son, 7, stopped speaking altogether with for a year. Then, as I've been told, he one day began talking again. He conversed in both French and German" STINKS FOGGY CITY ODOUR IN USA. NOTHING OF THE SORT IN PARIS, ALTHOUGH THE ETHIC BOUNDERY IS SOMEWHAT 'COUNTUERED' ( historical conditioning and artificiality of separadness; it is too close to have that huge differences; France in itself has the full spectrum of ethic identity diversification, of which I mosthly relate to pattern of bounderies setting versus merging emotionally like let say italian - no worries from above there; assertivenes pattern - how to speak within group of reference and to 'strangers'..... plus national pride as expressed abroad; Some French deny speaking french here, perhaps for other yet aspect or politicizing national pride ( I got some hints working with French nationals but not in the first 10 years); I would like to see comments of Vietnamisse youth in America - that si mutually beneficail to know how they perceive our immersion here for new commers. THE LIMITS THAT I AM PICKING UP LIMIT OUT INGRAINING SELF INTO THE WORLD; WE ARE NOT PEACEFUL - FRIENDLY ENOUGH YET AND WE HAVE OBSTRACTED VIEW - 'NOT ENOUGH IMAGINATION', THEY SAID AND DISSEAPERED AFTER THAT ( LIKE IN THAT FAMOUSTNOW 'I GOT TO EXCUSE SELF' THAT AMERICAN ABUSE EVEN IF THE INTERLOCUTOR IS NOT THE ONE THAT BRINGS IN THE LIMIT - IS 'NON CARING' BUT NOW ABOUT SELF IN CONVERSATION. THIS COULD BE OR BE VIEWED AS VERY RUDE TOO, BUT PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE DEVELOPED COMPENSATORY MECHANISMS OVER THAT. ALL OVER OUR HEADS. skomentuj

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